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Dirt
October 6th, 2004, 02:34 PM
After last night's night ride, its time to talk about winter clothing for this year. It was freaking cold out there.

I've been riding since before the days of lycra (think wool, pantyhose and vaseline -- sounds kinda kinky, eh?), so I guess I can talk about this stuff and see what people have to say that works well for them.

Layers are the key to warmth. If you've got the right layers, then you don't need a lot of bulky clothes. The problem with bulk is that once you warm up, you get too warm, sweat, then freeze. If you're going out for a longer ride and it is cold, you need the layers to be able to adjust your temperature to keep yourself in the right range.

There are three basic kinds of layers that you should have -- Base, thermal and wind protection. You can use them in different combinations depending on the weather. This goes for tops and bottoms and even socks or gloves, though you don't normally need layers for gloves or socks unless it is really cold.

Base Layer: This is the layer that is close to your skin. This serves two purposes. The first is to draw moisture away from your skin. The moisture is your sweat. This is also called wicking. The second purpose is to add a little dead air space under your thermal layer. This gives a little extra warmth when it is cold out without adding real bulk to what you're wearing. Bulk is bad because it limits your movement and it traps moisture that later freezes. Base layer can be really cheap. It is often a pollyester or polypro mesh or fabric. Supergo sent me an add this week that had their base layer on sale for $10 each. You can buy one and wash it between rides if you're on a budget. It is great stuff that shouldn't be overlooked.

Thermal Layer: This is where the warmth comes in. It can be as simple as a thicker lycra jersey (they make ones with a little fleece in them) or a heavier fleece pull over if it is really cold. There are companies that make nice heavier jerseys out of coolmax or even wool that make good thermal layers. Polypro or wool long underwear works pretty well for this. There are great winter jerseys out there that have fleece in them. I've got some old school wool jerseys that are very comfy and warm, but don't hold moisture.

Wind Protection Layer: This is important. It can be as simple as a light windbreaker or wind vest, or as fancy as a goretex jacket. The idea is to keep the wind off your front, while allowing sweat and persperation to vent out the back. You generate a lot of heat and sweat in the winter. If you don't let some of it out, you'll get wet and freeze. I rarely use more than a light windbreaker, but I have heavier clothes that work well. It doesn't have to be a high tech fabric like Goretex. My best winter jacket for riding is a wool jacket with a pollyester front that I got back in the 1980s (yup! I still wear it).

There are some things that can help you use these layers. When it is below 50 degrees out, base layer becomes extremely important. It really keeps you very warm in all kinds of conditions. It will let you be comfortable when it is warmer out, but still keep you warm when the temps drop. That is important during night rides when temps can drop 10 degrees over the course of a ride.

There are some companies that make jerseys that combine thermal and wind breaking layers. These can be really good for specific conditions. I've got a few that I got from Performance back in the 80s and I still use them. They have a zip out wind front that works pretty dang well. Add base layer underneath and I'm comfortable down into the upper 40s.

The thing to avoid is cotton. Cotton absorbs sweat and holds it. If you have cotton in any of your layers, you'll get cold really quickly after you've been riding. In the summer, I often wear cotton t-shirts out west where it is dry becaue they actually hold some moisture and keep my body cooler. Avoid cotton at any cost. That means underwear too. Some folks like wearing skivies under their cycling shorts. It is a good way to freeze your butt and other things.

I'll continue this conversation on socks, gloves and headbands in the next post. :) This is getting long.

oldreliable67
October 6th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Great timing and great info! Was just thinking about posting a request for info on what folks in this area wear for cold weather riding, especially at nite. Looking forward to next installment. Thanks...

Dirt
October 6th, 2004, 02:49 PM
Okay, here we go agaoin.

I hate socks. I really hate them in riding shoes. You go through a puddle, they get wet and your feet feel oogie the rest of the night. That said, I wear them when it gets down in the low 40s. Synthetic socks are great. Cotton is bad.... really bad. Your feet will freeze. There's a company that makes wool socks called "smart wool". They are right. These socks deserve a PhD in warmth. They're soft and comfortable to wear, but they are amazingly warm... even when they're wet.

The three layers described above can work for socks too if you have chronically cold feet, enough room in your shoes, and it is really cold out. Base layer would be an extremely thin polypro sock. Thermal layer would be a smartwool or other thin wool sock. The wind protection layer might take the form of a shoe cover. Most shoe covers have an element of thermal layer to them too. They look funny and the soles wear out quickly when mountain biking, but they really keep your feet warm. I used to use duct tape to fix up shoe covers that tore on rocks and logs.

If money isn't an object, they make some great winter mountain biking shoes. These range in the $130-200 range. I've got a set of winter boots made by Lake that are fantastic. I'm sure you'll see them at some time this winter if you ride with me.

Gloves are a tough issue. Many companies make winter gloves that hold too much moisture and your hands end up getting cold and wet at the end of the ride. Experiment with different gloves. Layers work too. They make thin polypro glove liners that you can wear under normal cycling gloves to give a little extra warmth. That works GREAT for most purposes. Pearl Izumi makes great winter gloves, but I find most of them are way too warm for me. I only use the real winter gloves when it is down below freezing. Cannondle used to make a glove that was nylon on the outside and had a tiny bit of fleece on the inside. It had grippers on the palms. It was the greatest glove I've ever used. I added glove liners and they kept me warm and dry down to 30 degrees.

Keeping your head warm is important. It is hard to keep your head warm without it sweating too much. Most of the time I add a fleece headband to keep my ears warm. If it gets really cold, I have a thin wool cycling cap (with a little visor that looks cute) that works nicely under a helmet. There are companies that make polypro or silk balaclavas. Don't mix that up with baklava (honey and filo dough in your hair is messy and won't keep you warm). Balaclavas work well and keep you really warm without trapping too much moisture. If it is really cold, I have a fleece neck warmer that keeps the back of my neck warm.

I hope that helps. Though I wrote a lot, this is by no means comprehensive.

Let me know what works for you. Be glad that we've got lycra and fleece since pantyhose, wool and vaseline were pretty messy, inconvenient and uncomfortable.

Peter

Dirt
October 6th, 2004, 02:53 PM
Great timing and great info! Was just thinking about posting a request for info on what folks in this area wear for cold weather riding, especially at nite. Looking forward to next installment. Thanks...

Cool! or rather Warm! I'm glad it is of help. If you're ever on a night ride with me and want to see what some of this stuff looks like, Just ask. I'll roll up a sleeve and show you.

There are plenty of good places to get winter cycling clothes. Some stuff crosses over pretty well from running or skiing. Tights work well for most winter activities. Bike shops are a good place to shop. REI has a lot of stuff. If you're a normal human size, places like Supergo can have some good deals.

Cycling clothes that you get can be useful for other activities too. I love my arm and leg warmers and use them for tons of other activities. I've got a car mechanic buddy that admired my arm warmers while we were doing suspension work on my car last winter. He went out and purchased a few sets and uses them all the time when it is cold in the shop.

Good luck,

Peter

Dirt
October 6th, 2004, 02:56 PM
One MORE shameless plug....

The new MORE socks are a GREAT sock for mid to cooler nights. They have some wool in them and are very soft and comfortable. Jason showed me his set last night and I was so impressed, that I went out and ordered two pairs for myself. And as mentioned above, I hate socks.

Peter

Snot-Rocket
October 6th, 2004, 03:06 PM
Scramble to the INTERNET NOW and look for some WINTER RIDING SHOES! SIDI has a version for normal folks and LAKE has a nice pair for the fat footed...but it is like a scramble in the fall to have a chance for a pair; they sell out very fast and I spent 3-hours hunting for mine and literally grabbed the last pair for my size!

Another fun option are platform pedals and hiking shoes for snow rides...makes for lots of fun.

I also wear shin/leg armor in the winter for snow rides- cause falling hard on ice falls...

Joy,

Snot

Squirrel Girl
October 6th, 2004, 07:12 PM
I've been a big fan of Patagonia's capilene. I've got lots of it. It's expensive, but nice. Now I'm more into Coolmax. LL Bean has nice stuff that's a little more reasonably priced.

Both do a great job wicking. Capilene comes in various "weights" from silkweight to expedition weight. It can be used for Peter's "thermal" layer.

I love the stuff and use it caving. When I jogged, it worked well for that. And it's terrific for cycling, too. Of course, what I get is solid colored, so it doesn't have that spiffy design on it like Jason wears...... :)

Sierra Trading Post has some good deals from time to time. But once I got a long sleeve coolmax top from them that had a thick, uncomfortable, binding neck. However, they are happy to accept returns, and I've gotten other good stuff from them, too.

Dirt
October 7th, 2004, 11:22 AM
Good point on the Sierra Trading post stuff. If you're really bargain hunting, they get a lot of Factory seconds and sell them advertised as such.

I got some cycling tights from them a few years ago that were perfectly functional, but had a few cosmetic defects. They were $10 per set. They lasted many seasons and are still used as a lower layer from time to time.

I'll see some of you at the night ride tonight. Survey says low 50s for the ride tonight. That's good weather to make sure your knees stay warm. :)

Peter

Dirt
October 20th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Okay, there's something I did forget.

In the winter time, it is really easy to freeze your crotch. This is probably a bigger deal for dudes than for chicks, but I've had comments from both genders in relation to this.

I've tried a ton of things. Some worked better than others. The rabbit fur g-string was entertaining, but not too effective. I also had problems with PETA getting on my case.

But seriously folks. Go to a fabric store that sells polartec fleece (Or Gore Windstopper if you're into that fancypants kinda stuff). Buy as small an amount as they'll let you. Some places let you buy half a yard. Cut out a chunk that is roughly crotch shaped and stick that in the front of your shorts before you go riding. You'll be cozy warm through the worst of the winter.

I need to get a new bunch of fleece, so I might buy some this weekend. If anyone wants a chunk, drop me an e-mail (PedroGringo@yahoo.com).

Your crotch will thank you. :)

Peter

Dirt
November 11th, 2004, 11:01 AM
I talked about these a little above, but I made a new discovery this week that deserves a little comment.

I was digging through my winter clothing after Tuesday Night's freeze and was REALLY bummed out because I haven't been able to find the left glove in my favorite pair of Cannondale mid-weight gloves.

As I was making the preparations for a winter with a really cold left hand, I remembered something that I'd seen a few weeks ago when I was touristing in the sprawling metropolis of Culpepper, VA. (Get to the point, Peter. People are bored of reading this CRAP!)

Trek has two different cold weather gloves for this season that look really good. One is a mid weight glove, and the other is something between a mid weight and real cold weather glove. Both are great for this time of year. They each have a bit of insulation and the latter has a bit more wind protection. Next payday I'm going to buy a set at my local Trek dealer.

One more note for people who have cold hand issues. Change the grips on your bike. If you've got bolt on grips or bar ends, the aluminum clamps transmit cold very well. You can either tape over these parts with some thicker handlebar tape, or do like I do... ditch the bar ends and bolt-on grips in favor of a slightly wider, low riser bar and thick, foam grips. I have pretty big hands (insert manly grunting noise here), so I tend to use the Grab-on foam grip stuff that they sell for drop handlebars. I just cut it to the length I need and put in on the handlebars using hair spray (the wonder adhesive).

I hope there was something useful to be found in the middle of that inane blabber.

Post up if you find some gloves that you particularly like.

Peter

Dirt
January 25th, 2005, 08:51 AM
Hey Marcus. Here's the thread you were looking for.

When it is really cold, I suggest windfront tights. As good as the new synthetics are, my favorite for real warmth is still wool. The new wool tights are really soft and comfortable. Pearl Izumi makes a great pair of wool tights. I know others do too, but the Pearls are the best that I've used.

The only downside to these tights is that they tend to be one season tights.... winter. I can't wear them unless it is REALLY cold.

As for booties, the perf ones seem to work well. Sometimes they have durability problems, but Perf has their satisfaction guarantee if you're not happy with how they last. I'd suggest some good socks too. Smartwool are the best that I've used. The best value, BY FAR is the MORE socks that you can get on this web site.

Hope that helps a little.

Peter