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urbaindk
April 18th, 2007, 05:54 PM
I've been asked this question a few times so I thought maybe I should address it. It might keep some budding freerider from killing a nice frame, who knows? Feel free to add your own input and thoughts.

To start out with, your typical XC bike maybe OK for learning basic skills, do small drops and jumps, learning to balance on skinny low-to-the-ground logs, etc. Beyond that, freeride tends to be hard on bikes and components and if you aren't careful bodies. A typical XC bike is usually designed for riding moderate to rough cross country trails. Beginning freeride is probably OK. You'll probably only break the standard stuff like derailleurs, etc. Wheels might suffer a bit. Your wallet might also suffer a little, too. If you are smooth, you can get away with 1-2 foot drops or bigger drops with transitions. Depending on how fast you progress through this stage of your riding career, you may want to start looking at other options.

When you start to ride bigger, steeper, rougher, faster downhills, drops, etc., your safety becomes a factor. Once you start riding things that are a little bigger, you have to start worrying about snapping your head tube, breaking your fork, smashing wheels, etc. Not only will your wallet scream, so will you, all the way to the ER. A freeride bike or downhill bike is going to be overbuilt and reinforced in areas where other bikes might be prone to breaking. This would include a heavier gusseted frame, sturdier wheels, stem, cranks and bars. Usually they are pretty heavy (mid 30's to upwards of 50lbs). This doesn't mean that you won't end up wrecking yourself real good, it just means that it probably won't be because your bike broke. Somewhere in between these two extremes is the "all mountain" bike which can handle more than an XC bike and less than a free ride or DH bike.

Another factor is geometry. An XC bike has a steeper head tube angle and long stem. This gives your more precise and reactive steering and excels in climbing. However, this type of geometry sucks for making really steep descents. It just plain feels sketchy. A dedicated freeride bike will have a slacker headtube angle and a short stem, this gives more stability at speed and helps the fork get over big stuff that pops up in the way. This geometry also puts you in a really good position when the going gets steep. Conversely, it will tend to suck for climbing. Again the all mountain bike tries to make a compromise between the two.

In a perfect world, one might have all three bikes sitting at home in the garage. Hell throw in nice road bike just good measure. Most of us don't have that kind of cash laying around though. For starting out, I recommend a burly hardtail. For the money you can't beat it. You can get a good stout frame for a fraction of the cost of a decent fully. Throw a grand into a hardtail and you'll have a nice bike, throw a grand at a fully and you have a piece of crap. So a modest investment will get you into the sport. Try it, like it, save your pennies for a nice plush ride. Hate it and you're not out of pocket too much. An added benefit is that a hardtail will force you to learn to be smooth. Sure you can plow your way through anything with a 8" to 10" travel frame but how graceful is that?

jabberwocky
April 18th, 2007, 11:18 PM
Very informative post. Nothing I can add that you haven't covered, except I wish good freeride bikes weren't so expensive so I could buy one. :) Someday...

I'm ok riding some burlier stuff on my 5-Spot, but I limit drops to the 3-4 foot range, and don't do any really big jumps. The thought of snapping the headtube or fork on a big drop is kinda scary, I will admit.

I've been getting the question of "can I ride my XC bike for dirt jumping/urban" a fair bit lately, if you want to cover that too.

werace424
April 19th, 2007, 09:50 AM
Very informative post. Nothing I can add that you haven't covered, except I wish good freeride bikes weren't so expensive so I could buy one. :) Someday...


Just do more trail work so you can win "Austin's bike" next year at the Winter Party. More time and work yes, but....not nearly as expensive.... :D ;) :p

Paul

cbass
April 19th, 2007, 10:13 AM
How do you feel about carbon bars and seatposts? :D

jvanbrecht
April 19th, 2007, 10:22 AM
Very informative post. Nothing I can add that you haven't covered, except I wish good freeride bikes weren't so expensive so I could buy one. :) Someday...

I'm ok riding some burlier stuff on my 5-Spot, but I limit drops to the 3-4 foot range, and don't do any really big jumps. The thought of snapping the headtube or fork on a big drop is kinda scary, I will admit.

I've been getting the question of "can I ride my XC bike for dirt jumping/urban" a fair bit lately, if you want to cover that too.

Wanna buy my SX Trail :) Fiance is pestering me to get rid of it.. I'm fighting.. but its an upward battle barefoot walking over broken glass... :D

punga
April 19th, 2007, 10:39 AM
Wanna buy my SX Trail :) Fiance is pestering me to get rid of it.. I'm fighting.. but its an upward battle barefoot walking over broken glass... :D
Not that I could buy it right now (shhh.. the wife may be reading this post), but how much would you want for said SX?

jvanbrecht
April 19th, 2007, 11:17 AM
I dunno.. its an 06.. in reasonably good shape.. I have put a couple of dings on it of course.. and you know how much I paid for it as you know who the source of the purchase was from.... I would also be willing to possibly trade it, I was hoping to still get a single speed at some point.. you and I can talk offline about it, I'm not greedy :)

jabberwocky
April 19th, 2007, 11:34 AM
Wanna buy my SX Trail :) Fiance is pestering me to get rid of it.. I'm fighting.. but its an upward battle barefoot walking over broken glass... :DWhat size?

I don't know if I'm that interested, the SX Trail is more "heavy trailbike" than real freeride bike. I want something thats more a pure freeride bike (like a Turner Highline, IH 7-point or Intense Uzzi or similar). I've already got a 5" travel bike to cover days I need to pedal. :)

tomn
April 19th, 2007, 11:41 AM
It's a medium. I only know because it caught my eye back when j bought it from bikermiker.

Here's the thread: http://www.more-mtb.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5157

And here's the updated (archive) link to the bike specs: http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?arc=2006&spid=21647

jabberwocky
April 19th, 2007, 11:48 AM
It's a medium. I only know because it caught my eye back when j bought it from bikermiker.Ah. Too big anyway. I'd have bought crashmores VP-Free if I could fit a medium. :)

vt mtbkr
April 19th, 2007, 12:00 PM
Freeride bikes don't have to be expensive if you get a hardtail. A couple of months ago we added a Freeride Hardtail Ironhorse Yakuza Bakuto to our stable for $600 on closeout from Performance. The intention is to take the bike with us to Downhill races to try out Duel Slalom courses since our XC bikes and full DH bikes didn't lend themselves to DS.

We've taken the bike out twice, once for an urban night and once for XC. For urban it did great, I rode it and took it off 3 ft drops and stairs and was really pleased with how much I liked it after only doing urban on my DH bike. On the other hand after it's first XC ride my fiance said he'd never make the mistake of taking out the "35lb sled" for another XC ride.

pirate
April 19th, 2007, 12:10 PM
Freeride bikes don't have to be expensive if you get a hardtail.

Yeah, just ask Urbaindk... He's got one of these... (http://www.ridesoul.com/titan.html) Check out the price for the frame! :eek:

urbaindk
April 19th, 2007, 12:38 PM
Yeah, just ask Urbaindk... He's got one of these... (http://www.ridesoul.com/titan.html) Check out the price for the frame! :eek:


Sure, just tell everybody I'm a cheap b*****d! Thanks. :cool: Actually, there are lots of burly HT frames out there for under $400. Mine just happens to be one of them. As vt_mtbr mentions there are a few complete builds out there for a reasonable price as well. Ironhorse and Kona come to mind, there are others I'm sure. You get a decent frame which you can upgrade as parts break. Usually on these bikes, the fork is the weak link but with a little savy web searching you can find close outs or used forks at a fraction of the cost of new.

pirate
April 19th, 2007, 12:45 PM
Sure, just tell everybody I'm a cheap b*****d! Thanks. :cool:

Ha! That's not what I was trying to do at all. I think that frame is a great deal!
I'm actually kinda regretting spending the extra cash on my Vagrant. (it being so heavy and all)

By the way, did you notice that Soul Cycles discontinued the Titan? What's up with that?

urbaindk
April 19th, 2007, 12:55 PM
Ha! That's not what I was trying to do at all. I think that frame is a great deal!
I'm actually kinda regretting spending the extra cash on my Vagrant. (it being so heavy and all)

By the way, did you notice that Soul Cycles discontinued the Titan? What's up with that?


Not sure. It's a small company, one designer and a couple of support staff. I think Chad just got bored with it and wanted to try something new. Who knows? Now they have that Evil Imperial clone and are getting ready to release a 4" DS bike that looks pretty sweet. That frame will run around a grand with shock (a comparable price to Transition FS frames).

eloach
April 19th, 2007, 02:54 PM
Freeride bikes don't have to be expensive if you get a hardtail. A couple of months ago we added a Freeride Hardtail Ironhorse Yakuza Bakuto to our stable for $600 on closeout from Performance. The intention is to take the bike with us to Downhill races to try out Duel Slalom courses since our XC bikes and full DH bikes didn't lend themselves to DS.

We've taken the bike out twice, once for an urban night and once for XC. For urban it did great, I rode it and took it off 3 ft drops and stairs and was really pleased with how much I liked it after only doing urban on my DH bike. On the other hand after it's first XC ride my fiance said he'd never make the mistake of taking out the "35lb sled" for another XC ride.

Last time I checked (~2 weeks ago) Performance still had these online for about 50% off.