Volunteers Needed

[Jackson]

A beginners series of rides and mini-clinics is being put together for the spring. Some folks have volunteered (and still another was volunteered - you know who you are) to help. But I'm looking for a few more folks to help introduce new riders to the sport and possibly share some of your talents and skills.

Right now, we're looking at Wednesday evening classes sometime in the spring, probably in April & May. This won't be a full clinic, but rather an introduction to riding and exposure to some of the basic skills.

Topics tentatively scheduled:

Intro/basic bike fit/bike equipment/trail etiquette
Basic bike maintenance/trailside repair/Gears/Braking
Basic Climbing techniques
Descending techniques
Fundamentals of logs
Night riding

We're trying to encourage folks to ride, show them some basic techniques, recruit MORE members, and teach proper trail stewardship. This may transition to a regular series of beginner rides around the area, starting in the spring.

We'll probably have 6 or so sessions, with a 20-30 minute teaching period followed by a ride incorporating that skill. Class size will be 10-15 or so. It depends on how many people sign-up to help.

I plan on doing this at Wakefield. If anyone is interested, I'm happy to help a motivated person organize one of these for Maryland as well.

I also welcome suggestions on what this kind of class should look like. I can be reached @ fuel95@gmail.com or PM me.

Thanks,

Tom


Also, big thanks to Snot-Rocket, MTBMore, and Dharma for stepping up to help.

[jabberwocky]

I can lead some, or help other people as needed.

I'm also planning on doing some "technical riding" clinics in the spring and summer, oriented towards intermediate riders looking to learn some technical skills (like log hopping, skinnies, stepping up and down ledges, etc.). We can maybe discuss combining everything into a series of beginner/intermediate classes.

[DMarchy1]

I can assist with this wonderful endeavor. I have zero Mechanical skills, but have been able to manage sharing some descent climbing and descending techniques. Dave M.

[CRAIG2]

One thing to mention - maybe I've misread, but the words Wednesday, evening, and Wakefield were used. Just be sure that the park will allow it - to my knowledge, night riding is currently only allowed on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays.

And now, back to your regulary scheduled programming, already in progress...

[punga]

I led a clinic last spring (http://www.more-mtb.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4252&page=1&pp=20&highlight=skills+clinic) that had a good turn out. I'd be interested in helping out with clinics, etc. I live in MD, but am in DC or VA often during the week for work.

punga!

[Jackson]

Great response so far - Thanks everyone.

As for Wednesday nights, late spring should give us enough daylight to have a decent class. I figure most beginners won't want to go past 1-2 hours anyway. I doubt most beginners would have sufficient lights to do real night riding anyway.

Jabberwocky/DMarchy1 - Want to team up and do a session or two on climbing/descending? Also, we could stagger the class so people could complete the beginners series and take the advanced log series, too. (I'm guessing the advanced log series won't be at Wake-A-Tink.)

Punga - Thanks. Want to help out in VA or start one in MD? It'd be great to have a parallel class in MD.

[crashmore]

FYI I have moved this thread to our new "Help Wanted" forum area. This area will be used for posts such as this when we are seeking volunteers for specific projects and so on.

Great response so far - Thanks everyone.

As for Wednesday nights, late spring should give us enough daylight to have a decent class. I figure most beginners won't want to go past 1-2 hours anyway. I doubt most beginners would have sufficient lights to do real night riding anyway.

Jabberwocky/DMarchy1 - Want to team up and do a session or two on climbing/descending? Also, we could stagger the class so people could complete the beginners series and take the advanced log series, too. (I'm guessing the advanced log series won't be at Wake-A-Tink.)

Punga - Thanks. Want to help out in VA or start on in MD? It'd be great to have a parallel class in MD.

[Jackson]

Great - thanks.

How come it doesn't show up in "Latest Forum topics"?

[jabberwocky]

Jabberwocky/DMarchy1 - Want to team up and do a session or two on climbing/descending? Also, we could stagger the class so people could complete the beginners series and take the advanced log series, too. (I'm guessing the advanced log series won't be at Wake-A-Tink.)I can definitely do a climbing/descending class with Dave. Wakefield may not be the best choice for it, though (Accotink would be far better).

I haven't decided on a location for the technical series. I am actually leaning towards using some man-made obstacles built especially for the class. If I do this, all I really need is a nice soft grassy field somewhere, which makes Wakefield a pretty good choice.

[crashmore]

This should be fixed now. Thanks for reminding me.

How come it doesn't show up in "Latest Forum topics"?

[Jackson]

I can definitely do a climbing/descending class with Dave. Wakefield may not be the best choice for it, though (Accotink would be far better).

I haven't decided on a location for the technical series. I am actually leaning towards using some man-made obstacles built especially for the class. If I do this, all I really need is a nice soft grassy field somewhere, which makes Wakefield a pretty good choice.

Since this will technically be a "daylight" class, Accotink is available. What do you think would be doable for this level of class?

We're going to have some true beginners - wouldn't be surprised to see a Huffy or two at this.

[CRAIG2]

I can definitely do a climbing/descending class with Dave. Wakefield may not be the best choice for it, though (Accotink would be far better).

I haven't decided on a location for the technical series. I am actually leaning towards using some man-made obstacles built especially for the class. If I do this, all I really need is a nice soft grassy field somewhere, which makes Wakefield a pretty good choice.

Wakefield would also offer that powerline hill for climbing and descending... LOL I know, don't want to scare everyone off too quickly :D

[tsunayoshi]

We're going to have some true beginners - wouldn't be surprised to see a Huffy or two at this.

You'll have at least one Mongoose... :D

[CRAIG2]

You'll have at least one Mongoose... :D


LOL - don't sweat it. You know you're in real trouble when you start seeing GT's show up. haaaaaaaaaaa! :eek: :D :p

[jabberwocky]

Since this will technically be a "daylight" class, Accotink is available. What do you think would be doable for this level of class?

We're going to have some true beginners - wouldn't be surprised to see a Huffy or two at this.To be honest, if we have actual true beginners, climbing and descending isn't something they should be working on anyways. Basic trail riding technique would be far more useful. For a climbing and descending class, I was thinking more along the lines of people who have ridden Wakefield level stuff a few times and want to learn how to properly climb and descend the harder stuff. I would cover stuff like how to distribute your weight properly (methods to shift your weight forward and back, and when to do so), picking the right lines, etc. So, probably not geared towards absolute beginners.

I can also do a general class for beginners. That would cover more basic things, although I would include a brief overview of the above.

[punga]

Great response so far - Thanks everyone.

As for Wednesday nights, late spring should give us enough daylight to have a decent class. I figure most beginners won't want to go past 1-2 hours anyway. I doubt most beginners would have sufficient lights to do real night riding anyway.

Jabberwocky/DMarchy1 - Want to team up and do a session or two on climbing/descending? Also, we could stagger the class so people could complete the beginners series and take the advanced log series, too. (I'm guessing the advanced log series won't be at Wake-A-Tink.)

Punga - Thanks. Want to help out in VA or start one in MD? It'd be great to have a parallel class in MD.
I could do a MD class and perhaps we could do it on alternating weeks so it's not competing with the VA classes.

punga!

[mtbmore]

To be honest, if we have actual true beginners, climbing and descending isn't something they should be working on anyways. Basic trail riding technique would be far more useful. For a climbing and descending class, I was thinking more along the lines of people who have ridden Wakefield level stuff a few times and want to learn how to properly climb and descend the harder stuff. I would cover stuff like how to distribute your weight properly (methods to shift your weight forward and back, and when to do so), picking the right lines, etc. So, probably not geared towards absolute beginners.

I can also do a general class for beginners. That would cover more basic things, although I would include a brief overview of the above.

In my class and in Tom's, descending was a critical component of the beginner class. Correct positioning on the bike during any descent is really critical in the early stages of riding. Tom called it controlled descents and I also used the same phrase. There is a great grassy hill by the ball fields that works really good at Wakefield.

Scud

[Jackson]

To be honest, if we have actual true beginners, climbing and descending isn't something they should be working on anyways. Basic trail riding technique would be far more useful. For a climbing and descending class, I was thinking more along the lines of people who have ridden Wakefield level stuff a few times and want to learn how to properly climb and descend the harder stuff. I would cover stuff like how to distribute your weight properly (methods to shift your weight forward and back, and when to do so), picking the right lines, etc. So, probably not geared towards absolute beginners.

I can also do a general class for beginners. That would cover more basic things, although I would include a brief overview of the above.

In my class and in Tom's, descending was a critical component of the beginner class. Correct positioning on the bike during any descent is really critical in the early stages of riding. Tom called it controlled descents and I also used the same phrase. There is a great grassy hill by the ball fields that works really good at Wakefield.

Scud

Chris - I appreciate what you're saying. Too much of the advanced stuff and we'll lose people (at this level) mentally.

Scott - I think that is a good way of describing it. Give them basic information on many of the techniques more advanced riders take for granted.

The trick with these classes (to me anyway) is that you get quite a variety of people. There will be people who haven't ridden much ranging to people who have a fair amount of experience, but may not have developed much of an advanced skillset.

I think the topics you mention are the right ones and would be perfect. The idea here is to introduce concepts and give people the confidence to ride, and learn more on their own or in a more advanced setting at a later date.

To me the target population for this course (although anyone is welcome) is people who a proper mountain bike and have ridden a few times on their own. We're going to shoot to have instruction come in at 20-30 minutes per session.

[allencb]

If you don't have anyone to help with a trailside maintenance/repair clinic, I'll be willing to give it a shot.

Chris

[Jackson]

If you don't have anyone to help with a trailside maintenance/repair clinic, I'll be willing to give it a shot.

Chris

Cool, thanks Chris.

[Jackson]

Alright - more of response than I'd even hoped for! I'm going to talk w/ Snot-Rocket this weekend and pick his brain about format and content. Maybe then we'll develop a schedule for the classes w/ topics and such.

Since this will represent the club and be a lot of folk's first impression of MORE, I think it is very important to make sure things are (relatively) polished and planned out well. This will be free, but we're going to ask people to sign up with the club. (Or maybe you have to sign up with the club - I think that has happened before, too.)

Question 1: Are we missing anything else than should be included?

Question B: Punga, do you want some folks to help you in Maryland?

[jabberwocky]

In my class and in Tom's, descending was a critical component of the beginner class. Correct positioning on the bike during any descent is really critical in the early stages of riding. Tom called it controlled descents and I also used the same phrase. There is a great grassy hill by the ball fields that works really good at Wakefield.

ScudOk, I agree with that. I guess what I was trying to say is that a class expressly for climbing and descending would be of less benefit to absolute beginners than a general class covering a wider array of skills. I would definitely still cover basic climbing and descending in a beginners class.

My vision of a pure climbing/descending class would be covering skills to handle hills like the one next to the stairs going to Accotink.

[allencb]

Cool, thanks Chris.
Hmmm. Just thought of something. You WERE referring to BIKE maintenance, correct? I had a horrifying thought that you might have meant trail maintenance of the sort MOBL does. I'm pretty ignorant of trail maintenance.

Chris

[wrench177]

Alright - more of response than I'd even hoped for! I'm going to talk w/ Snot-Rocket this weekend and pick his brain about format and content. Maybe then we'll develop a schedule for the classes w/ topics and such.

Since this will represent the club and be a lot of folk's first impression of MORE, I think it is very important to make sure things are (relatively) polished and planned out well. This will be free, but we're going to ask people to sign up with the club. (Or maybe you have to sign up with the club - I think that has happened before, too.)

Question 1: Are we missing anything else than should be included?

Question B: Punga, do you want some folks to help you in Maryland?
I can help out in Maryland if needed. I owe Punga big time for all his help with the Schaeffer night rides anyway.

I live 2 miles away from Schaeffer and I think it's a good venue for these types of clinics. Also, in a previous life I've worked in several shops as a mechanic, so trailside repairs and general bike stuff is a snap. I have three sets of lights so I can help out with the night riding clinic. Basically I think it would be fun.

One question I have though is how are you planning to market this to beginners outside of MORE? Is seems to me that this is your target audience as you want to bring them into the fold, but I haven't seen any discussion of this so far.

Todd

[MyOtherBrotherL]

Wakefield would also offer that powerline hill for climbing and descending... LOL I know, don't want to scare everyone off too quickly :D

The powerline hill climb/descent will not be there (hopefully) by the time these clinics start

(Man - I'm gonna need some more buckets!) :o

[MyOtherBrotherL]

....My vision of a pure climbing/descending class would be covering skills to handle hills like the one next to the stairs going to Accotink.


The hill next to the stairs will be very different than what it looks like now. FCPA is reaplacing the dirt single track with an ADA compliant asphalt trail. I rode ther last weekend and it looks like construction is about to begin very SOON!

L

[ride-n-fall]

The hill next to the stairs will be very different than what it looks like now. FCPA is reaplacing the dirt single track with an ADA compliant asphalt trail. I rode ther last weekend and it looks like construction is about to begin very SOON!

L

Thanks for the info. I rode there last weekend also, notices the construction and was going to send you an email asking what was going on.

[punga]

I can help out in Maryland if needed. I owe Punga big time for all his help with the Schaeffer night rides anyway.

I live 2 miles away from Schaeffer and I think it's a good venue for these types of clinics. Also, in a previous life I've worked in several shops as a mechanic, so trailside repairs and general bike stuff is a snap. I have three sets of lights so I can help out with the night riding clinic. Basically I think it would be fun.

One question I have though is how are you planning to market this to beginners outside of MORE? Is seems to me that this is your target audience as you want to bring them into the fold, but I haven't seen any discussion of this so far.

Todd
If i could make a suggestion:

How about a meeting at DFH or Kilroys to "hash" all this out and decide what the class content should be, how to advertise when and where to hold the classes, and who should be allowed to play in our reindeer games. The forums are good, but I'd like to be able to discuss in person and can always use an excuse to drink ;)

punga!

[wrench177]

If i could make a suggestion:

How about a meeting at DFH or Kilroys to "hash" all this out and decide what the class content should be, how to advertise when and where to hold the classes, and who should be allowed to play in our reindeer games. The forums are good, but I'd like to be able to discuss in person and can always use an excuse to drink ;)

punga!
I like the way that boy thinks :D

[Jackson]

If i could make a suggestion:

How about a meeting at DFH or Kilroys to "hash" all this out and decide what the class content should be, how to advertise when and where to hold the classes, and who should be allowed to play in our reindeer games. The forums are good, but I'd like to be able to discuss in person and can always use an excuse to drink ;)

punga!

Are you thinking we should all meet, or just the Md folks? I think a meeting of both groups would be good.

[jabberwocky]

The hill next to the stairs will be very different than what it looks like now. FCPA is reaplacing the dirt single track with an ADA compliant asphalt trail. I rode ther last weekend and it looks like construction is about to begin very SOON!I can't wait to see an "ADA compliant" ramp going up that hill. :)

There are plenty of similar hills over at Accotink. That was the first one I thought of that I figured everyone would know. I obviously haven't been to Wakotink in a while.

I'm in for a meeting of everyone. I know I'll get overruled, but I vote for someplace that doesn't serve alcohol. ;)

[1derwoman]

I don't have the time right now to read all the way back through the thread, but I'll step up if I can help!! My angles/interests: live and work in DC so not easily part of the MORE contingencies that form more naturally in MD/VA; female; only early in my 2nd year of riding and could be a good "mentor" to a newbie.

I'll check back to see if an in-person meeting gets posted. In MD or VA, I'm sure ;) so maybe something that doesn't fall during or right after rush-hour or that is at least right off a metro?

[werace424]

I'm in for a meeting of everyone. I know I'll get overruled, but I vote for someplace that doesn't serve alcohol. ;)

Overruled! :D

I can help with beginner clinics in NOVA, as well as in "Local" MD. Living in the Dorf makes all places except Cedarville a good haul so it doesn't matter to me. I will even bring my wife for the class, (but I will not instruct her). :D


The powerline hill climb/descent will not be there (hopefully) by the time these clinics start

What gives? When I began riding and that hill was part of the main trail, it was a goal before summers end to climb that hill. When I finally made it w/o stopping or unclipping, I felt I had done something. Heck, it still can be a challenge if I pick the wrong line.
Is it just too susceptible to erosion?

Paul

[jvanbrecht]

I can probably assist here and there in MD or VA if its straight after work...
Although these days, it appears I have to go home first to let out the puppy, then head back to VA.. thats gonna suck...

[drevil]

I can probably assist here and there in MD or VA if its straight after work...
Although these days, it appears I have to go home first to let out the puppy, then head back to VA.. thats gonna suck...
J, will this be the title of your class?

How to climb a hill then vomit without getting any on your jersey!


:D :D :D :p

[punga]

J, will this be the title of your class?

How to climb a hill then vomit without getting any on your jersey!


:D :D :D :p
Dharma might be able to assist him with that one ;)

Are you out there Dharma? :p

punga!

p.s.
this has nothing to do with that since removed video thread. it's from a ride at Wakefield.

[Jackson]

Wow - even more folks stepping forward. I'm gonna try and catch up with Punga. Maybe we'll try to match up interested folks w/ what ever series is closest to them.

Once we've talked we'll have a bit more information and then we can have a meeting/ride or two with respective volunteers.

I've had a few talks with some of the people who have led these in the past, and they've passed along a few thoughts:

- Keeping ratios small - like 5:1 student to instructor

- Keeping over classes small - parks don't necessarily like large groups prowling their spaces.

- Charging something for the series - gets people buy in (literally) and makes sure people show up. This wouldn't be payment to the instructors, but probably a donation to TFK or something similar.

- Everyone signs waivers

- Must become MORE members - liability somewhat, but mostly recruitment.

- Delivering a quality product - this means the instructors have prepped some material, scouted training sites and ride routes, "practiced" their routines, etc.

- Have people sign up for the whole series, not just parts.

- Emphasize fun & enjoyment for all. Be ready to deal with people of different levels.

Hopefully you're still interested after listening to my demented ramblings. We'll post up more info soon.

- Tom

[cathie m]

I want to help out too. I'm also close to Schaeffer and think a meeting at DFH is an excellent idea. :D I will be willing to help out at both places if needed.

I still want to participate in the log class though as a student. I'm getting better, but those large logs with no ramps still intimidate me.

[Snot-Rocket]

The trick with these classes (to me anyway) is that you get quite a variety of people. There will be people who haven't ridden much ranging to people who have a fair amount of experience, but may not have developed much of an advanced skillset.

I think the biggest filter are folks who aren't fit enough for trail riding and those who just don't have any bike experience in general.

If a weenie show'd up to my clinic out of shape- I would viciously demean and embarrass them- call them a tubby-tubby, twinkie chomper and tell them to take there "cake hole" home and come back when they can at least hammer 20-miles on pavement and that would be that! If folks had no bike experience- I'd stop the class and start screaming while pointing that person out and just scream, "what are you doing here- you can't even ride a bike on pavement- you are wasting my freaking time!"

It is always good to pick one Omega, the person who looks the most hopeless, out of a group and just make them the butt of every joke and what not- it relaxes every one else and folks can have fun making fun of that one weenie at least...Ha, ha!

The most critical thing about a MTB clinic is just showing the want-to-bes that they CAN'T BE- they gotta earn it, earn the right to be a true Adventure Sport, Mud Dawg- Baby!

I'm all for helping when I can- just let me know when you need my luv!

BRAAAAP!

[Jackson]

It is always good to pick one Omega, the person who looks the most hopeless, out of a group and just make them the butt of every joke and what not- it relaxes every one else and folks can have fun making fun of that one weenie at least...Ha, ha!



Yeah, but once you're done picking on me, then what?

[Snot-Rocket]

Yeah, but once you're done picking on me, then what?

When you pick on folks- you stop when there is just laughter, when you are Demeaning a weenie you go one comment past laughter- folks don't know what to do laugh, cry, be indignant- there is an awkward silence- that is when, as an instructor, you whip your head back and bust out in throaty laughter- like in kung fu flicks- BWAAA HA, HA, HA!

The Clinics are a great idea- it is amazing how many folks want to get out an play and just need someone to open the door and show them da way...

Rah,

[jabberwocky]

I've had a few talks with some of the people who have led these in the past, and they've passed along a few thoughts:

- Keeping ratios small - like 5:1 student to instructorMy previous experience with things of this nature was teaching a week long "skateboard camp" for 8-12 year olds for the parks and rec department of Blacksburg when I was in college. The ratio Tom mentions is extremely important. I had one co-counselor and twelve kids (giving us a 6:1 ratio) and that was about all I could handle. Now, I really hope the people showing up at these things aren't going to be as rambunctious as a bunch of sugared up kids, but I guess you never know... :)

- Keeping over classes small - parks don't necessarily like large groups prowling their spaces.Agreed. The classes should be done on a signup only basis. I was planning on limiting mine to about 8 people per class (if I'm teaching by myself).

- Charging something for the series - gets people buy in (literally) and makes sure people show up. This wouldn't be payment to the instructors, but probably a donation to TFK or something similar.I don't know about this one. Has it been done this way in the past?

- Everyone signs waiversMakes sense.


- Must become MORE members - liability somewhat, but mostly recruitment.I think this is a good idea. My only question is how to check and enforce it. Do people need to sign up ahead of time? Bring their card with them? I suppose as long as people are signing up for the class ahead of time, I can check them against the member database.

- Delivering a quality product - this means the instructors have prepped some material, scouted training sites and ride routes, "practiced" their routines, etc.Absolutely.

- Have people sign up for the whole series, not just parts.Meh. I'm ok with giving people the option to sign up for the whole series, but give them the choice of only taking one or two classes if they want. I suppose it all depends on how the classes are structured though.

- Emphasize fun & enjoyment for all. Be ready to deal with people of different levels.Yar.

[Jackson]

Jabberwocky -

As for the concept of charging, it is relative. Others, such as Anne Mader (TBLGirl) had recommended this based on their experience. For specific clinics, it may not be applicable, and the concept isn't mandatory. It seems to increase attendance. I've seen it some in similar situations (like the beginner leagues in WAFC (www.wafc.org) (Ultimate Frisbee) where a lot of beginners showed up once or twice and then never reappeared. This happened on almost every team, regardless of what the league tried. But this isn't rocket science, and there are plenty of ways to approach this issue. The last thing I would ever do is kick someone out. I would just say "please do it [join MORE, donate, etc.] when you can."

On joining MORE - checking them ahead of time is preferred, but I believe others went with the honor system once you go 'rubber side down' at the clinic.

Signing up for individual classes. I may do a combo - any empty slots, people are welcome to sign up for what they want. For my first clinic, I'm going to really try to have a consistent group. I think it promotes a more relaxed atmosphere, a little comraderie, etc. But hey, what ever works, right?

None of these concepts are carved in stone - as much as you try to set things up a certain way, you still gotta roll with events. And as I was taught at a work training once "Not THE way, but A way."

[cathie m]

I think charging is okay. I participated in a day long clinic four years ago when I was learning to ride and it was worth the fee. How about a few things to raffle off for participants (e.g. socks, water bottles, or even some bigger items)?

Is requiring membership in MORE a good idea for beginners? If they're not sure they want to get into mountain biking they're not going to want to join and it might keep them from taking the class (and then joining MORE). Certainly at the end of the class discuss it and maybe to participate in further classes.

[jvanbrecht]

J, will this be the title of your class?

How to climb a hill then vomit without getting any on your jersey!


:D :D :D :p


Oi... For the record.. I felt like I wanted to vomit..... It was only after I got home.. and actually ate something that I vomitted.. I do not attribute that to the riding :D I blame you for that :D :D :cool:

[mtbmore]

Is requiring membership in MORE a good idea for beginners? If they're not sure they want to get into mountain biking they're not going to want to join and it might keep them from taking the class (and then joining MORE). Certainly at the end of the class discuss it and maybe to participate in further classes.


Requiring membership makes the whole insurance thing easier. If this is MORE sponsored you may need to get additional insurance for the class.

[Jackson]

Requiring membership makes the whole insurance thing easier. If this is MORE sponsored you may need to get additional insurance for the class.

We need to talk about this - how do we get the official stamp of MORE approval?

[mtbmore]

call me and I can tell you how we have done this in the past

Scud

[Jackson]

I just had a conversation with the esteemed Mr. Scudamore - An intermediate clinic(s) is development for the spring as well.

My point of view is - if you read about this on the MORE board, you probably may get more out of an intermediate clinic.

We'll get more info out as it develops. It appears there is plenty of demand for this stuff.

[Snot-Rocket]

Is requiring membership in MORE a good idea for beginners? If they're not sure they want to get into mountain biking they're not going to want to join and it might keep them from taking the class (and then joining MORE). Certainly at the end of the class discuss it and maybe to participate in further classes.

I used to be a staunch advocate of free MORE clinics- but I've changed my tune. It isn't just a liability issue. I changed my perspective ultimately because after years of giving up tons of free time, TONS of Free Time, conducting FREE clinics, trail work, liaison duties and all of that jazz you come to realize that a large chunk of folks are self-entitled "Bad Apples." They take from the sport and just don't give- so a $20.00 Membership- which is like nothing really, is a minor price to pay to get some basic guidance towards a path of enlightenment, addiction, bankruptcy, injury, however it works ou for a weenie- ha, ha!

I think a weenie forking out cash for a membership also encourages them to learn about MORE / IMBA Advocacy and what not and then they can make a choice of being a self-entitled "Bad Apple" or at a minimum help keep the trails open and free and accessible to the Cycling Community.

Putting something up front- also guarantees attendance. I capped my clinics to eight bodies- so I was fortunate to have a low drop rate because once you were in the chance of rescheduling was low. Lots of strategies to guarantee attendance, cash is an easy one. Folks will sign up for your average clinic and won't have the courtesy to say they are dropping out.

Anyway- I think a benefit of membership should be opportunities to learn. Folks who free-load on club rides, race locally and don't either do some trail work OR fork over just $20/year in membership for the good local fight are fundamentally communist inspired, oxygen thieves - wait "bad apples"- and they should be ashamed of themselves and should restrict their riding on pavement- like 495 or something.

When I see a rider with a mechanical and/or injury on the side of the trail- the first thing I ask them is if they are a MORE or IMBA Member in Good Standing - if the answer is, "No." No luv from me- they can walk their way out and/or bleed to death for all I care- ha, ha! Okay, not true- but it was fun to say- ha, ha!

BRAAAAP!

[cathie m]

Are you talking about a MORE membership and a fee for the clinic? That's where I was thinking the beginners might not go for it (depending on what you're charging. Guess I was thinking along the lines of $20-25 not counting the MORE membership). But if you're talking about the membership as the fee for the beginner clinic, that would be cool. Just my 2 cents. :)

And I agree, riders should join MORE. I worked at a trail day at Wakefield soon after I moved here, regular riders should help out with trail work. I don't think the hikers will do it. :rolleyes:

[Snot-Rocket]

Are you talking about a MORE membership and a fee for the clinic?

Yes- a separate fee for the clinic- well, it best be a purty darn good clinic. However, MORE Membership and you get a clinic- seems like a steal!

Rah,

[Jackson]

Yes- a separate fee for the clinic- well, it best be a purty darn good clinic. However, MORE Membership and you get a clinic- seems like a steal!

Rah,

This clinic that I'm setting up is for new folks who are not yet MORE members. Scott is setting up a clinic for people who are already members. I'm going to try and get word out to local bike shops in NoVa about this clinic. I'm going to request a piece of MORE schwag for all the new members in the class.

I don't want to charge per se for the clinic, because it's not a commercial product. This is a effort by the club to promote the sport and recruit members, while spreading the gospel of trail rules, etiquette, trail maintenance, etc.

[allencb]

I don't want to charge per se for the clinic, because it's not a commercial product. This is a effort by the club to promote the sport and recruit members, while spreading the gospel of trail rules, etiquette, trail maintenance, etc.
Also, if you charge any amount, folks will hold you to a possibly unreasonable high standard. If they fail to learn anything, it becomes your fault, regardless of the effort they put into learning.

Chris

[Jackson]

Also, if you charge any amount, folks will hold you to a possibly unreasonable high standard. If they fail to learn anything, it becomes your fault, regardless of the effort they put into learning.

Chris

Yeah - I don't want someone ask for their money back. But they do, I'll give them your name, ok?

In all seriousness - this is exactly what I've been thinking. I view this as the Sport's Illustrated Football phone - it's the perk that seals the deal on joining MORE. (Except you don't have to wait 4-8 weeks for delivery.)

[martin]

J, will this be the title of your class?

How to climb a hill then vomit without getting any on your jersey!


:D :D :D :p


I can probably assits you without this the real trick is not getting it on your shoes...

:eek:

[martin]

Also, if you charge any amount, folks will hold you to a possibly unreasonable high standard. If they fail to learn anything, it becomes your fault, regardless of the effort they put into learning.

Chris

Don't charge ask for a donation for the volunteer's time and effort and his/her willingness to donate the proceeds to the club/organization...

[punga]

Jackson, give me a call at some point tomorrow evening to discuss. I would be up for doing both beginner and intermediate classes in MD. I could use some help coordinating the class and providing individual direction to participants. My experience last year taught me what jabber has been discussing: keeping class size down.

301.675.2117

punga!

[Jackson]

I went back and reread all 60 or so posts. Lot's of good offers and plenty of helpful info.

These are the folks who kindly stated they'd with part some of their spring afternoons (evenings, really) to help others and promote the club. I listed the volunteers below and where they would prefer to help. Roughly, the plan is to offer 1 each of a beginners and intermediate series in the spring in both Maryland and Virginia. Let me know if I got any of the locations wrong:

Jabberwocky – Md or Va
DMarch1 – Md or Va
Punga – Lead Md series (or two)
MTBMore – Va
Dharma – Va
Cathie M – Md or Va
AllenCB – Va
Snot-Rocket – Va
Wrench177 – Md
1derwoman – Md or Va
Werace24 – Md or Va
Brunswick - Prefer Md, Va ok
TBLGirl - Va
BikerMiker - Md


Punga and I are going to be doing a little planning and then we should have a little more to report.

I would like to thank everyone who offered to help in someway.

- Tom

[cathie m]

You can put me down for MD or VA.

[BikerMiker]

Punga, I can help out with bikes. If people want to try something new on a different bike, I can bring the fleet. It might help if someone shows up on a BSO (Bike Shaped Object: coined by Larry Black to the best of my knowledge).

mike

[brunswick]

Tom,
FWIW, I'm willing to help out with this as well, preferably in MD, but can do VA also. Will there be beer after the classes?
Joel

[punga]

Tom,
FWIW, I'm willing to help out with this as well, preferably in MD, but can do VA also. Will there be beer after the classes?
Joel
If I have any say in the matter: YES!

punga!

[Jackson]

If I have any say in the matter: YES!

punga!

Motion carried.

[werace424]

Motion carried.

I second the motion. ;)

[Jackson]

Tom,
FWIW, I'm willing to help out with this as well, preferably in MD, but can do VA also. Will there be beer after the classes?
Joel

Great Joel. I'll put you on this and get your contact info to Punga.

Ask for your second question: Duh.

- Tom

[Jackson]

Punga, I can help out with bikes. If people want to try something new on a different bike, I can bring the fleet. It might help if someone shows up on a BSO (Bike Shaped Object: coined by Larry Black to the best of my knowledge).

mike

That's great!

[beerMe]

I'll help...
just let me know,

[Jackson]

A few us met in a bunker at an undisclosed location today (I can't say where, but it does rhyme with "Bake-Field") to plan out the Spring clinics. We've got some good things coming up and we'll be posting more information very soon.

One outcome was a more compressed series of beginner clinics than originally conceived which will mean less chances for folks to help. A lot of people stepped forward to offer their time for these and I think that says a lot of good things about the club.

If we don't tap you to help out this round, I hope you'll strongly consider attending trailwork days, leading some rides, etc.

- Tom

[1derwoman]

this is kind of a teaser :-) Any idea when we should expect to know more/should check back?

[jabberwocky]

this is kind of a teaser :-) Any idea when we should expect to know more/should check back?It should be posted both here in the forums and on the front page sometime soon. Keep checking back. :)

[Jackson]

this is kind of a teaser :-) Any idea when we should expect to know more/should check back?

Jabberwocky nailed it. More info very soon - Scud is going to post something on the home page.

- Tom

[Squirrel Girl]

It should be posted both here in the forums and on the front page sometime soon. Keep checking back. :)Ok, I'm checking. Don't see anything.

[Jackson]

Ok, I'm checking. Don't see anything.

It will be up in a few days.

[Squirrel Girl]

It will be up in a few days.I was just pokin' fun at Chris. :p

[jabberwocky]

I was just pokin' fun at Chris. :pWelcome back, Babs. I don't know how I survived for a month without anyone making fun of me. A little longer and my ego would have swollen to uncontrollable levels! :)

[mtbmore]

I started my day at 3:45 EST 4:45 DST. I helped with the Backyard Burn until 1pm edt then hiked for 2 hours with my grandson, 30 minutes at the end uphill with his 50 lbs on my shoulders. Then another hour+ pulling him in the burley for a nice ride. Threw in some hill intervals and then Dinner and I just got home. I am going to bed now. Details will be posted up before the week ends. Teaser !!!! They will be in April and there will be 5 clinics total: two beginner clinics in Maryland at Schaeffer and two in NOVA at Wakefield. One intermediate skills clinic at Fountainhead with at least one more in May for more advanced stuff. All of the beginner clinics will be free and open only to MORE members. Nominal 10 or so dollars for the advanced clinics also open only to MORE members.

GOOD NIGHT

Scud

[merc98c]

Hello,
I just joined MORE and I saw that in the post the class is for non-members? Can i get my money back so i can do the class then join.. lol.
Also i can volunteer to help as a, this is a dumb newbie on a bike.... Dont ride like him. :) Thanks for the info and I look forward to riding with you all.

[Squirrel Girl]

Welcome back, Babs. I don't know how I survived for a month without anyone making fun of me. A little longer and my ego would have swollen to uncontrollable levels! :)To Scud and Jackson and everyone. My posting had zero to do with impatience and *everything* to do with humor. Ya'll didn't lose that while I was gone didya?? :D Chris *said* I should "keep checking back." :p

Take your time Scud, :)

[punga]

Hello,
I just joined MORE and I saw that in the post the class is for non-members? Can i get my money back so i can do the class then join.. lol.
Also i can volunteer to help as a, this is a dumb newbie on a bike.... Dont ride like him. :) Thanks for the info and I look forward to riding with you all.
I think you read that wrong, membership is required, so you're good to go ;)

I'll be looking for helpers for my classes @ Schaeefer, I'll be contacting a few people with details.

punga!

[werace424]

I'll bet you slept good last night didn't you Scud? Sounds like a great day. Thanks for writing it up. Whenever it happens... :p

Now I have to get my wife signed up so she can participate. :D

[werace424]

I think you read that wrong, membership is required, so you're good to go ;)

I'll be looking for helpers for my classes @ Schaeefer, I'll be contacting a few people with details.

punga!

OOH OOH OOH! Me Me Me!!!! :)

[gravel fodder]

Hi, it's been a while since I've been on here. The past few months have been dedicated to my snowboard, so much so that I think the bike is suffering seperation anxiety. Anyhoo I would love to see a clinic like you guys are talking about. I've got a handle on the basics of trail riding but like anything you pick up yourself I'm sure there are flaws all over my riding style, I wouldn't call it technique that would imply I conciously know what I'm doing. I'll be checking in now and again so if this is a go I'm definitely in.

By the way someone mentioned that the powerline trail is going to be gone? Please explain, thats one of my favorite parts, climb and all.

[Jackson]

Hi, it's been a while since I've been on here. The past few months have been dedicated to my snowboard, so much so that I think the bike is suffering seperation anxiety. Anyhoo I would love to see a clinic like you guys are talking about. I've got a handle on the basics of trail riding but like anything you pick up yourself I'm sure there are flaws all over my riding style, I wouldn't call it technique that would imply I conciously know what I'm doing. I'll be checking in now and again so if this is a go I'm definitely in.

By the way someone mentioned that the powerline trail is going to be gone? Please explain, thats one of my favorite parts, climb and all.

As I understand it, there will be a series of turns built across the power line trail. However, the access road itself will be still be there since Dom Power still needs access. So there will still be a climb.

[wrench177]

I think you read that wrong, membership is required, so you're good to go ;)

I'll be looking for helpers for my classes @ Schaeefer, I'll be contacting a few people with details.

punga!
Punga, you know I'm there to lend a hand if needed.....right? Let me know.

T

[gravel fodder]

Actually I looked at the map so I undertand whats happening now I just thought that the jumps on the other side of the hill would be gone.

[gravel fodder]

I thought they meant on the opposite side of the hill where you have the roller section thats part of the race course. I just didn't have my bearings straight is all. That access road is a brutal climb, lose any momentum and you're screwed. Kind of fun on a mountainboard though.