Pwn3rs Manual

[Brizn]

You can pick your nose,.. and you can pick your friends..
but you can't pick your friends' nose manuals. Anybody got tips on the ever-elusive 'nose wheelie'??

I understand the concept of the rear wheel manual.. not that I'm any good at it... but I know how, so i can practice. On the other hand, I don't really know HOW to do a nose wheelie. I did 'em on my 20"r yrs ago-- but that was a totally different ballgame and didn't involve using the brakes at all.

My intuition is that you hit the fronts (and shift your weight) just enough to get upright.. and the rest has to do with brake modulation ie feathering. Am I on the right track here?

[Jackson]

You can pick your nose,.. and you can pick your friends..
but you can't pick your friends' nose manuals. Anybody got tips on the ever-elusive 'nose wheelie'??

I understand the concept of the rear wheel manual.. not that I'm any good at it... but I know how, so i can practice. On the other hand, I don't really know HOW to do a nose wheelie. I did 'em on my 20"r yrs ago-- but that was a totally different ballgame and didn't involve using the brakes at all.

My intuition is that you hit the fronts (and shift your weight) just enough to get upright.. and the rest has to do with brake modulation ie feathering. Am I on the right track here?

I found last week @ Schaeffer that if you try and pick up your front wheel and attempt to put it down on top of the log so you can smoothly ride over it, but instead put it down right in front of log, trapping it against the log and the ground, you'll do a nice front wheelie.

Of course, I don't recommend this technique.

[Brizn]

you'll do a nice front wheelie.

Of course, I don't recommend this technique.Yea, that would be the Endo-to-Superman :D I'm referring to the nose wheelie. Here it is on a motorcycle. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRCIBhMgOF8)

Anyway, Punga!- I've seen you roll these before..

Correction: I never did nose wheelies on bmx. I was referring to the 'Hang Five' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzAtI4s9xq4), which is different.

[jabberwocky]

Ah, you were talking about just riding an endo type thing. I think of nose wheelies as not using brakes and balancing it, but perhaps thats a nose manual (my skateboarding background means I interpret them the same, I guess).

I can do short ones. Really, all you gotta do is get some speed, lean forward and grab some front brake. Practice by grabbing just enough brake to lift the rear of the bike an inch or two and trying to hold it. Once you get the feel of how to modulate the brake, let the rear of the bike lift higher. I go over the bars pretty often when trying them though. :)

Now you have to teach me to do that awesome 180 pivot to spin back around thing you did in the parking lot. Thats pretty nifty.

[Brizn]

ok, yea..this makes sense, ie don't go big for starters! will work on getting a feel for the finer modulation of mechanical discs with the rear low to the ground. goodlookinout. maybe punga will hit us up as well.

that awesome 180 pivot to spin back around thing The quick and dirty: a little speed + a quick sharp 45 deg. turn of the bar in combo with locking the fronts and rotating your momentum around the pivot point... then once the rear touches down, just let your momentum roll you backwards-- keeping in mind that a) if geared, you need to pick a perfectly straight chain line so that you can b) backpedal while the bike is rolling backwards as per your freewheel mechanism.. then you can grab the backs, lift the front, and wheelie your momentum around to come out of it-- kinda like a 180 to a 180. I'm no pro at it.. but this is the old "rock walk" from days of yore. I know at least one other cat local to this board who could tell you all about it as well- the person with whom i was chatting in the lot late after the gambrill ride today ;) His name has been omitted to protect his anonymity.

[jabberwocky]

Thanks, I'm gonna try to learn that. The quick 45 degree bar turn sounds like the secret. I can lift the rear of the bike and pivot, but its always really slow and I can rarely get it more than 90-100 degrees. I can see that quickly turning the bars would really help you spin it around. Maybe time to pull the street bike off the ceiling and do some practicing.

[redneckp3ngu1n]

What you want is a front brake that can lock your wheel up completely or can just barely drag. You feather your front brake as you would with a brakeing rear manual. Keep your body around the same place but use your legs and arms to move the bike up (bring legs in and push arms out) This should help after you recover from the first few broken collar bones :rolleyes:

[urbaindk]

Once you get the nose wheelie down, try dropping off curbs and then higher stuff from a nose wheelie. Ride parallel to drop, grab a little front brake, flick the back end over the drop, release the brake and steer towards the edge. Then hop or pull up on the front just a little to get the front end unloaded and off the drop while simultaneously trying to get the back end down before the front.

It feels so cool and looks really smooth and pro too.

[liznotter]

I can do short ones. Really, all you gotta do is get some speed, lean forward and grab some front brake. Practice by grabbing just enough brake to lift the rear of the bike an inch or two and trying to hold it. Once you get the feel of how to modulate the brake, let the rear of the bike lift higher. I go over the bars pretty often when trying them though. :) One day at Schaeffer, Jabberwocky rides into the parking lot and does one of these, just a little bit too steeply, and does a faceplant right into the gravel. Pete says, "Hey, go do that again, i didn't get a picture!"

[Brizn]

Once you get the nose wheelie down, try dropping off curbs and then higher stuff from a nose wheelie. Ride parallel to drop, grab a little front brake, flick the back end over the drop, release the brake and steer towards the edge. Then hop or pull up on the front just a little to get the front end unloaded and off the drop while simultaneously trying to get the back end down before the front.

It feels so cool and looks really smooth and pro too.used to do that all the time on my trickster. like a worm motion. i'm trying to ride a wheelie while picking my nose is all..

[jabberwocky]

One day at Schaeffer, Jabberwocky rides into the parking lot and does one of these, just a little bit too steeply, and does a faceplant right into the gravel. Pete says, "Hey, go do that again, i didn't get a picture!"That one was almost perfect. I think I was balanced on the front wheel for a second or two, but it turned out I was just a teensy bit too far forward, and, well, gravity did the rest. :)

Perfect timing, too. The ride was just about to start, and there were like 20 people standing there watching me. I do stuff like that all the time. :p

[redneckp3ngu1n]

Im trying to get nose manuals down on my stp but ive given up with the front brake ( i completely removed it) and now am working on footjams. Almost got them down. Maby i should translate them to my reign now on the trail :p

[Brizn]

The quick 45 degree bar turn sounds like the secret. I can lift the rear of the bike and pivot, but its always really slow and I can rarely get it more than 90-100 degrees. I can see that quickly turning the bars would really help you spin it aroundIt's as much the quick 45 deg snap as it is 'hip' action I believe. Also, when setting up (ie just before the snap), do a little "S" motion with the front of your bike to build the rotational momentum.. This is hard to describe in writing.. but think of an ice skater setting up and just before they launch a twirl or something- (not that fast of course!). The initial endo isn't always gonna be a perfect 180, rarely in fact.. but if you land solid you just roll it out and it looks good. The first half of this trick is also a very proficient way of reversing direction on the trail, especially narrower track.

[eloach]

Okay, for the proper tech pull out some of the old Dark Angel TV shows where they are having the bike stunt contest in the bar. Who is that guy anyways?

[urbaindk]

You know Brizn, try as I might, I've never been able to get the back 180 out of the front 180. I've got to keep working on that...

[Brizn]

got the technique now.. thx ! Will keep practicing. I'll post back upon my first superman.

[punga]

I missed this thread when you guys were posting up... What people described is pretty correct. I've never really thought it out, but I guess it depends if you want to come to complete stop or just rolling along in a manual. I don't pivot as far over the front wheel if I want to keep rolling. Keep the arms bent at the elbows so you can make micro adjustments in your weight distribution. It helps if you're going down hill or have more speed than you think you should so that you keep your momentum (although, flying down a rocky downhill at Gambrill would not be the best place to attempt it). The feather touch on the brakes like we were discussing on Friday is the most important thing.

Brian, sounds like you figured it out on Friday.

The whole "ride the nose manual off a curb" idea seems like a recipe for disaster that I won't be attempting with out the full face helmet :eek: I'll work on that in February.

punga!

[redneckp3ngu1n]

The whole "ride the nose manual off a curb" idea seems like a recipe for disaster that I won't be attempting with out the full face helmet :eek: I'll work on that in February.

punga!


haha dont forget that the face impact, if not absorbed by your nose/jaw will be transfered to your neck and if you try to block the fall with your arms a broken collar bone is likely. ;)