Stans?

[eloach]

1 - 26" Laser disc SS rear wheel + Kenda Nev. 2.35 tire. Is this a decent candidate for a Stans kit? Looks like a "go" based on the Stans site. Has anyone tried this rim or tire? I also use a Specialized Captain 2Bliss Armadillo, which I expect will work fine. The bead on the Kenda is a little weaker.

2 - How does Stans compare to UST in terms of ease of inflation and sealing? Will I need a compressor if I Stans, or could I manage with a floor pump? I saw the WWW site. How does it shake out for you? I don't really want to go to the shop for tire changes or buy a compressor (no room for it and I am usually stuck doing this work late the night before a ride).

Why? As I am pushing myself to hop larger things I am pinching the rear flat or just blowing (splitting) a lot of tubes. That's pretty inconvenient and expensive. Is it me or do tubes seem to have become LESS resilient over the last few years? :confused:

[DaveG]

1 - 26" Laser disc SS rear wheel + Kenda Nev. 2.35 tire. Is this a decent candidate for a Stans kit? Looks like a "go" based on the Stans site. Has anyone tried this rim or tire? I also use a Specialized Captain 2Bliss Armadillo, which I expect will work fine. The bead on the Kenda is a little weaker.

2 - How does Stans compare to UST in terms of ease of inflation and sealing? Will I need a compressor if I Stans, or could I manage with a floor pump? I saw the WWW site. How does it shake out for you? I don't really want to go to the shop for tire changes or buy a compressor (no room for it and I am usually stuck doing this work late the night before a ride).

Why? As I am pushing myself to hop larger things I am pinching the rear flat or just blowing (splitting) a lot of tubes. That's pretty inconvenient and expensive. Is it me or do tubes seem to have become LESS resilient over the last few years? :confused:


I can't answer you on your exact combo, but I've been able to inflate tires on my Stans Arch rims w/ a floor pump. I had one that I really needed to pump like crazy, but it eventually sealed. My trick is to inflate the tire w/ a tube, and then unseat only one side and remove the tube, install valve and inflate. Since you'll be using a rim strip you won't be able to do this so YMMV.

WRT pinch flatting, it sounds like you're not running enough pressure or too thin of tubes. You could probably use UST tires on your normal rims; the casing in UST tires is very thick and would probably cut down on pinch flats quite a bit.

Haven't noticed any difference in tube quality either :)

[repoman]

I'm running a 2.1 Nevegals on 26" WTB SpeedDisc rims with Stans. I also run a 2.35 Nevegal on Stan's Arch rims with the sealant. Both sets of tires are conventional (non-UST) Kenda's. Like DaveG, I've also been able to inflate these during setup with a floor pump - though sometimes I had to pump like mad.

One thing about the 2.35" Nevegal was that mine had several pin size holes that took several rounds of shaking and sitting before the sealant set up and closed them. I'm not sure that this is a character flaw of the bigger volume tire or an isolated incident - I have not had that problem with any other tires I've converted.

There are great how-to videos on the Stan's site that walk you through the whole process. It's really not too difficult, though it does sometimes take a little effort to get the tires to inflate - that's probably my "technique" more than anything else. One key take-away from the videos - if you can't initially inflate the tire with soapy water only and won't be able to inflate the tire with the sealant. Keep messing around to ensure the rim strip is evenly spread all around the rim and whack the tire all around to spread it out and you should be able to inflate the tire with soapy water along the bead only.

You may also need to add an ounce or so of fresh sealant every 3-4 months as the stuff tends to dry into a thick latex-like film after a while and loses its ability to seal new leaks as they occur.

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[werace424]

I also tried that tire tubeless....didn't do well. It also had the pin sized holes which did eventually seal, but there was one larger pencil lead size hole that just didn't want to stay sealed. All of these were on the sidewall. I paid too much for the tire to discount it, so I just put a tube back into it. I run UST on the rear w/ sealant, and it even stopped up a hole from a piece of glass until I just shredded the tire.

FYI from the Kenda website:

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[mipellerin]

1 - 26" Laser disc SS rear wheel + Kenda Nev. 2.35 tire. Is this a decent candidate for a Stans kit? Looks like a "go" based on the Stans site. Has anyone tried this rim or tire? I also use a Specialized Captain 2Bliss Armadillo, which I expect will work fine. The bead on the Kenda is a little weaker.

2 - How does Stans compare to UST in terms of ease of inflation and sealing? Will I need a compressor if I Stans, or could I manage with a floor pump? I saw the WWW site. How does it shake out for you? I don't really want to go to the shop for tire changes or buy a compressor (no room for it and I am usually stuck doing this work late the night before a ride).

Why? As I am pushing myself to hop larger things I am pinching the rear flat or just blowing (splitting) a lot of tubes. That's pretty inconvenient and expensive. Is it me or do tubes seem to have become LESS resilient over the last few years? :confused:

I have tried all facets of tubeless options; UST, Stan's Strips and Ghetto Tubeless. The key to getting all of them to seal is wetting the sidewall surface with soapy water. I have used Kendas (non UST) with Rhyno Lite rims and a set of Mavic 317's without any problems. For the most part I have been able to get them to seal with a floor pump but have had to make the occassional run to the gas station for high pressure. You will see Stans bead out of the sidewalls but it has no problem filling the pin holes.

Out of all the tubeless options I have had the best results with the ghetto tubeless setup. Do a google search on this to get full directions on installation but it is basically utilizing a smaller size tube on your wheel as the rim strip (20" tube on a 26" rim and 26" tube on a 29" rim). There is also a really good instructional video on You Tube for this process. The strip that you create lines the entire inner wall of the rim providing a much better seal and making inflation soooo much easier. I have also had better results in terms of no air loss over time. AND it only costs a fraction of the Stan's kit (2 tubes at $4 + a bottle of Stans sealant $15).

And finally if the tire fits loosely on your wheel, making it impossible to get a good seal put a layer of insulating tape under the rim strip (Stan's or ghetto) and it will fill the gap making inflation a breeze with the floor pump. The insulating tape is the regular Frost King tape found at Home Depot. I use the 1/8" x 3/8" size.